Karty graficzne z GPU Intela?

1. Słuchaj Adam, (autor: Venom79 | data: 14/08/06 | godz.: 14:29)
   jak trafisz gdzieś (w przyszłości) na jakieś szczegóły o przyszłych kartach Intela to proszę o info na TPC. Dzięki.
   
   
2. [;..;] (autor: GesTee | data: 14/08/06 | godz.: 15:24)
   oooo czyzby coś jak Kyro 3?
   
   no no moze byc ciekawie 3 gracz na rynku grafik napewno wyszedł by na zdrowie wszystkim... kupującym :D
   
   
3. Zapowiada się ciekawie (autor: zbiggy | data: 14/08/06 | godz.: 16:13)
   Intel penetruje rynek kart graficznych a Nvidia i ATI zintegrowanych w chipsetach. Rok 2007 zapowiada się interesująco.
   
   
4. mniam (autor: Waker | data: 14/08/06 | godz.: 16:18)
   jak Intel wypusci karty z prawdziwego zdarzenia a nie jakieś łajno do biura to może być ciekawie.Gdyby na rynku były 3 firmy to ceny mogą ostro polecieć w dół, a Intel to jest firma a nie jakieś tam XGI Volari więc trzymam kciuki za intela
   
   
5. XGI Volari (autor: RusH | data: 14/08/06 | godz.: 16:41)
   tak propo to XGI Volari jechalo na "technologii" S3 :)))) tyle ze dopracowanej przez firme trzevia
   Power VR swego czasu (riva128, i740, V1) bylo niezla grafa 3D
   
   
6. ... (autor: Artczi | data: 14/08/06 | godz.: 17:42)
   tylko zeby tez byly tez w notebookach takie karty intela a nie np intel915 lub 945. No konkurenca coraz wieksza
   
   
7. ... (autor: Brendyman | data: 14/08/06 | godz.: 22:01)
   Waker - nie wiem czy pamietasz ale i740 w swoich czasach byl w scislej czolowce (tylko ten cholerny, wiecznie ciemny obraz jaki generowal ;] ) ale swoja droga chyba jedynym jego celem bylo wypromowanie AGP (w koncu na PCI i740 istnial w postaci jednego modelu jednego producenta a jego dostepnosc byla zerowa)
   Teraz w zwiazku z przejeciem ATi przez AMD intel zwietrzyl podstep, w koncu wystarczy zeby karty graficzne AMD byly optymalizowane pod wspolprace z CPU AMD i najwiekszy producent polprzewodnikow znowu moze stracic jakis procent rynku...
   
   
8. hmm (autor: 0r8 | data: 14/08/06 | godz.: 22:14)
   ee, bez przesady. i740 to byl zlom od poczatku do konca, tyle, ze nie AZ taki ostatni.
   cos jak gadanie milych rzeczy o trupie.
   
   
9. 0r8 (autor: Brendyman | data: 14/08/06 | godz.: 22:37)
   No wiesz, nie pisze przeciez ze bil na glowe V2SLI, tylko byl w czolowce, co na jego czasy oznacza ze mial wydajnosc na poziomie Rivy 128/128ZX a napewno duzo lepsza od pseudoprofesjonalnej Permedii 2...
   
   
10. bardzo ciekawa strategia (autor: maciej_s | data: 15/08/06 | godz.: 00:30)
    jezeliby wziac pod uwage ostatnia wiadomosc o otwarciu (GPL/MIT) sterownikow do grafiki przez intela to mamy ciekawa zagrywke marketingowa: zwolennicy os zdecyduja sie na kupno grafik intela (i na razie) kupno calej plyty glownej na ich chipsecie
    
    
11. hmm (autor: 0r8 | data: 15/08/06 | godz.: 09:25)
    taa, 128ZX to tez byl zlom, wiem bo mialem obie ;p
    do tej pory nie moge dojsc co mna kierowalo gdy zamiast V2 wzialem rivke. eeeeh.
    ;-)
    
    
12. czekamy na DX10 (autor: Mario2k | data: 15/08/06 | godz.: 12:52)
    No trzeba trzymac kciuki za nowa grafe Intela
    trzeci producent ukladow graficznych jest jak najbardziej potrzebny , pewniakiem mowa o jakiejs karcie z obsluga DX10 oby wydajnoscia nie przyniosla wstydu Intelowi :)
    
    
13. zlom nie zlom, na kolana pierogi Carmack przemawia : (autor: RusH | data: 15/08/06 | godz.: 13:20)
    2/12/1998
    The State of 3D Cards
    Filed under: John Carmack — johnc @ 2:59 pm
    
    I have been getting a lot of mail with questions about the intel i740
    today, so here is a general update on the state of 3D cards as they relate
    to quake engine games.
    
    ATI rage pro
    ————
    On paper, this chip looks like it should run almost decently – about the
    performance of a permedia II, but with per-pixel mip mapping and colored
    lighting. With the currently shipping MCD GL driver on NT, it just doesn’t
    run well at all. The performance is well below acceptable, and there are
    some strange mip map selection errors. We have been hearing for quite some
    time that ATI is working on an OpenGL ICD for both ‘95 and NT, but we
    haven’t seen it yet. The rage pro supposedly has multitexture capability,
    which would help out quite a bit if they implement the multitexture
    extension. If they do a very good driver, the rage pro may get up to the
    performance of the rendition cards. Supports up to 16MB, which would make
    it good for development work if the rest of it was up to par.
    
    3DLabs permedia II
    ——————
    Good throughput, poor fillrate, fair quality, fair features.
    
    No colored lighting blend mode, currently no mip mapping at all.
    
    Supports up to 8MB.
    
    The only currently shipping production full ICD for ‘95, but a little
    flaky.
    
    If 3dlabs implemented per-polygon mip mapping, they would get both a
    quality and a slight fillrate boost.
    
    Drivers available for WinNT on the DEC Alpha (but the alpha drivers are
    very flaky).
    
    Power VR PCX2
    ————-
    Poor throughput, good fillrate, fair quality, poor features, low price.
    
    No WinNT support.
    
    Almost no blend modes at all, low alpha precision.
    
    Even though the hardware doesn’t support multitexture, they could implement
    the multi-texture extension just to save on polygon setup costs. That
    might get them a 10% to 15% performance boost.
    
    They could implement the point parameters extension for a significant boost
    in the speed of particle rendering. That wouldn’t affect benchmark scores
    very much, but it would help out in hectic deathmatches.
    
    Their opengl minidriver is already a fairly heroic effort – the current
    PVR takes a lot of beating about the head to make it act like an OpenGL
    accelerator.
    
    Rendition v2100 / v2200
    ———————–
    Good throughput, good fillrate, very good quality, good features.
    
    A good all around chip. Not quite voodoo1 performance, but close.
    
    v2100 is simply better than everything else in the $99 price range.
    
    Can render 24 bit color for the best possible quality, but their current
    drivers don’t support it. Future ones probably will.
    
    Can do 3D on the desktop.
    
    Rendition should be shipping a full ICD OpenGL, which will make an 8mb
    v2200 a very good board for people doing 3D development work.
    
    NVidia Riva 128
    —————
    Very good throughput, very good fillrate, fair quality, fair features.
    
    The fastest fill rate currently shipping, but it varies quite a bit based
    on texture size. On large textures it is slightly slower than voodoo, but
    on smaller textures it is over twice as fast.
    
    On paper, their triangle throughput rate should be three times what voodoo
    gives, but in practice we are only seeing a slight advantage on very fast
    machines, and worse performance on pentium class machines. They probably
    have a lot of room to improve that in their drivers.
    
    In general, it is fair to say that riva is somewhat faster than voodoo 1,
    but it has a few strikes against it.
    
    The feature implementation is not complete. They have the blend mode for
    colored lighting, but they still don’t have them all. That may hurt them
    in future games. Textures can only be 1 to 1 aspect ratio. In practice,
    that just means that non-square textures waste memory.
    
    The rendering quality isn’t quite as high as voodoo or rendition. It looks
    like some of their iterators don’t have enough precision.
    
    Nvidia is serious and committed to OpenGL. I am confident that their
    driver will continue to improve in both performance and robustness.
    
    While they can do good 3D in a window, they are limited to a max of 4MB of
    framebuffer, which means that they can’t run at a high enough resolution
    to do serious work.
    
    3DFX Voodoo 1
    ————-
    The benchmark against which everything else is measured.
    
    Good throughput, good fillrate, good quality, good features.
    
    It has a couple faults, but damn few: max texture size limited to 256*256
    and 8 to 1 aspect ratio. Slow texture swapping. No 24 bit rendering.
    
    Because of the slow texture swapping, anyone buying a voodoo should get a
    six mb board (e.g. Canopus Pure3D). The extra ram prevents some sizable
    jerks when textures need to be swapped.
    
    Highly tuned minidriver. They have a full ICD in alpha, but they are being
    slow about moving it into production. Because of the add-in board nature
    of the 3dfx, the ICD won’t be useful for things like running level editors,
    but it would at least guarantee that any new features added to quake engine
    games won’t require revving the minidriver to add new functionality.
    
    3DFX Voodoo 2
    ————-
    Not shipping yet, but we were given permission to talk about the benchmarks
    on their preproduction boards.
    
    Excellent throughput, excellent fillrate, good quality, excellent features.
    
    The numbers were far and away the best ever recorded, and they are going to
    get significantly better. On quake 2, voodoo 2 is setup limited, not fill
    rate limited. Voodoo 2 can do triangle strip and fan setup in hardware,
    but their opengl can’t take advantage of it until the next revision of
    glide. When that happens, the number of vertexes being sent to the card
    will drop by HALF. At 640*480, they will probably become fill rate bound
    again (unless you interleave two boards), but at 512*384, they will
    probably exceed 100 fps on a timedemo. In practice, that means that you
    will play the game at 60 fps with hardly ever a dropped frame.
    
    The texture swapping rate is greatly improved, addressing the only
    significant problem with voodoo.
    
    I expect that for games that heavily use multitexture (all quake engine
    games), voodoo 2 will remain the highest performer for all of ‘98. All
    you other chip companies, feel free to prove me wrong.
    
    Lack of 24 bit rendering is the only visual negative.
    
    As with any voodoo solution, you also give up the ability to run 3D
    applications on your desktop. For pure gamers, that isn’t an issue, but
    for hobbyists that may be interested in using 3D tools it may have some
    weight.
    
    Intel i740
    ———-
    Good throughput, good fillrate, good quality, good features.
    
    A very competent chip. I wish intel great success with the 740. I think
    that it firmly establishes the baseline that other companies (especially
    the ones that didn’t even make this list) will be forced to come up to.
    
    Voodoo rendering quality, better than voodoo1 performance, good 3D on a
    desktop integration, and all textures come from AGP memory so there is no
    texture swapping at all.
    
    Lack of 24 bit rendering is the only negative of any kind I can think of.
    
    Their current MCD OpenGL on NT runs quake 2 pretty well. I have seen their
    ICD driver on ‘95 running quake 2, and it seems to be progressing well.
    The chip has the potential to outperform voodoo 1 across the board, but
    3DFX has more highly tuned drivers right now, giving it a performance edge.
    I expect intel will get the performance up before releasing the ICD.
    
    It is worth mentioning that of all the drivers we have tested, intel’s MCD
    was the only driver that did absolutely everything flawlessly. I hope that
    their ICD has a similar level of quality (it’s a MUCH bigger job).
    
    An 8mb i740 will be a very good setup for 3D development work.
    
    
14. wychodzi na to (autor: RusH | data: 15/08/06 | godz.: 13:21)
    ze Intel od POCZATKU mial najlepsze drivery 3D :) laczac to z faktem calkowitego ich otwarcia zapowiada sie ciekawie :)
    
    
15. Gdyby Intel na serio (autor: morgi | data: 15/08/06 | godz.: 16:47)
    potraktowal rynek GPU, to z NVIDII i ATI by nawet popiol nie zostal, te fabryki i sila robocza, ale mysle ze wczesniej nastapi unifikacja CPU i GPU i intel sie wlaczy.
    
    
16. i740 może nie był zły, ale był SPÓŹNIONY (autor: zartie | data: 16/08/06 | godz.: 09:51)
    Intel mocno się spóźnił z premierą tego układu, wypuścił go, kiedy karty na rynku akceleratorów I generacji były już rozdane. Marketing intensywnie promował tę kartę jako pierwszą z następnej generacji, ale ludzie nie dali się na to nabrać (i słusznie).